Taylor Swift: Never Grow Up泰勒·斯威夫特:天后长不大

Taylor Swift started her career when she was just

16, and she’s 21, so in the last five years this “child”

has basically grown up before our eyes. She is one of

the most famous people in the world.

Interviewer: Can you lead a normal life?

泰勒・斯威夫特16岁时就开始了自己的

事业，现在她21岁。在过去五年间，这个

“孩子”基本算是在我们的眼前经历了成

长。她现在是全球最红的人之一。

采访者：你能过上正常的生活吗？

Taylor Swift: I think normal is…is, you know, your perception of “normal.” I see a lot of people in this position go to extreme lengths for the sake of privacy, and, for me, I’m just not willing to make that sacrifice. I know that there are fans sitting in the restaurant across the street from my apartment building, but I’m gonna go walk and get coffee because I like to walk and go get coffee.

Interviewer: So, but don’t they come up and…

Taylor: Yeah, and it’s…it’s like 20 seconds of your day to get a picture with someone. So you can live your life, you can get pictures with fans, you can, you know, stop for a minute because they’ve given me a lot more than…than I ever expected to have in this life, so a minute of your time really isn’t that much to ask.

Interviewer: Taylor, I’ve been with you just a couple of days, and you’ve mentioned that you don’t have a boyfriend about five times. Hey guys, if you’re paying attention, she’s ready.

Taylor: It’s just kind of a fact, though. It’s not like a…it’s not like me going, “So guys, I don’t have a boyfriend. I know you’re watching,” you know.

Interviewer: But it sounds like you miss it. Of course, everybody wants to be in love.

Taylor: Everybody wants to be in love.

Interviewer: It’s the best feeling.

Taylor: Yeah.

Interviewer: It’s the best feeling.

Taylor: I’m good, though. I’m good being alone, like, I have a routine, I’m not…I don’t wanna ever be one of those people who just needs a boyfriend all the time.

Interviewer: But you wanna get married…one day, have a man.

Taylor: Oh, yeah.

Interviewer: Yeah. And do you wanna have children?

泰勒・斯威夫特：我觉得“正常”是……你知道，看你对“正常”的理解了。我见过很多人处在这样的位置，为了隐私而做得很极端，但对我来说，我并不想作出这样的牺牲。我知道有粉丝就坐在我公寓大楼街对面的餐厅里，但我还是会走出去买咖啡，因为我喜欢走出去买咖啡。

采访者：那么，可他们不会跟过来，然后……

泰勒：会啊，那就像是你一天里每隔20秒就得跟别人合照。但你可以过你的生活，你可以跟粉丝合照，你可以，你知道，就停下一分钟……因为他们给予我的东西远远超过我人生原本期待的，所以，你时间里的一分钟真的就不值一提了。

采访者：泰勒，我跟你在一起不过几天时间，但你强调你没有男朋友这件事已经不下五次了。那么伙计们，大家注意了，她现在单身。

泰勒：不管怎样，那是事实。你知道，我并不是要刻意宣示：嗨，各位，我现在没有男朋友。我知道你们一直在盯着。

采访者：听上去好像你挺想恋爱的。当然了，每个人都想恋爱。

泰勒：每个人都想恋爱。

采访者：恋爱的感觉最美好。

泰勒：对。

采访者：恋爱的感觉最美好。

泰勒：不过，我过得不错，

我一个人也过得不错。我的

生活很规律，我并不是……

我并不想成为那种每时每刻

都需要男朋友的人。

采访者：但是你想结婚的吧，

总有一天，找到另一半。

泰勒：哦，是的。

采访者：嗯。那你想

要小孩儿吗？

Taylor: Like, 10 of them.

Interviewer: You wanna have 10 children? Taylor: So many kids; like an army of kids.

泰勒：我想要10个。

采访者：你想要10个小孩？

泰勒：越多越好，能有一军队的孩子最好。

Interviewer: So, we’re sitting here in your apartment. So, was it hard to move out of the house with your family? That…was that 1)wrenching, or were you just really ready? Get me out!

Taylor: No, I was really ready. I was…I was almost 20 when I moved out. All my friends had gone to college, and they’d moved out a year and a half before.

Interviewer: You wrote a…a song―very 2)poignant song―about “Never Grow Up.”

Taylor: Yeah. I actually wrote the song, “Never Grow Up” the first time that I walked into this apartment, after I’d bought it. I thought, “Oh, man, this is real now. Like, this is happening. Oh, wow, we’re all getting older, and soon my parents are gonna be older, and then I’m gonna be older, and then I’m gonna have to think about grownup things, and I’m already starting to have to think about grownup things,” and I just sort of got this feeling, like, “Oh, wait, this is all real, this is all happening.”(Taylor singing) I...I actually finished the song the first night that I moved in, and kind of felt lonely.

Interviewer: So you did feel 3)ambivalent, really.

Taylor: A little bit. It was a…a mixed emotion, as everything is.

采访者：那么，我们现在坐在你的公寓里。搬出跟父母同住的家，困难吗？是很痛苦？还是你已经准备好了？让我出去吧！

泰勒：不难，我完全准备好了。我搬出来住的时候已经快20岁了。我所有的朋友都去上大学了，她们一年半前都搬出去住了。

采访者：你写了一首歌――感觉很悲伤的歌――关于“永远都不要长大”。

泰勒：是的。实际上那首歌――《永远不长大》是我买下这个公寓，一搬进来就写下的。我当时想：“噢，天啊，这一切都是真的。就像是，这正在发生。哦，哇，我们都开始变老，很快我父母也会变老，我也会变老，接下来我不得不准备考虑各种长大后的事了。实际上我已经不得不开始考虑长大后的事情了。”我就是有这样的感觉，就像是：“哦，等等，这都是真的，一切都在发生。”（泰勒唱歌）其实这首歌在我搬进来的第一晚就完成了，当时觉得有点孤单。

采访者：所以，你确实会感到矛盾。

泰勒：有一点儿吧。像所有的事情一样，那是种复杂的情绪。

Interviewer: She’s a cultural leader and she knows it.

Taylor: Well, I definitely think about a million people when I’m getting dressed in the morning and…

Interviewer: Whoa.

Taylor: …that’s just part of my life now. And…

Interviewer: You’re a role model and you know it.

Taylor: I think it’s my responsibility to know it, and to be conscious of it. And it would be really easy to say, you know, I’m…I’m 21 now. I do what I want. You raise your kids. But it’s not…not the truth of it. The truth of it is that every singer out there with songs on the radio is raising the next generation. So make your words count.

Interviewer: What’s it like to achieve your dream so early?

Taylor: You know, it’s great.

Interviewer: The answer is it’s great.

Taylor: You know it’s not bad. And it just means that I have a lot of time to figure out how I’m going to prove myself over and over and over again and I have time to do it.

采访者：她是个文化引领者，而且她也知道个中含义。泰勒：嗯，当我早上穿衣服的时候，我一定会想到我将要面对的是一百万人，而且……

采访者：哇。

泰勒：那已经是我生活的一部分了。而且……

采访者：你是一个示范的榜样，而且你也知道。

泰勒：我觉得我有责任知道这件事，清楚这件事。你知道，“我只不过才21岁，我想做什么就做什么，你养好你的孩子就好。”这话说起来很容易，但根本不是这么回事。事实是：每个在广播里唱歌的歌手都在养育下一代。要让你的话语有意义。

采访者：这么早就实现你的梦想是种什么感觉？

泰勒：你知道，很棒。

采访者：答案是：很棒。

泰勒：你知道，这感觉不坏。而且它意味着我有很多时间去搞清楚我要怎么样一次又一次不断地证明自己，而且我也有时间付诸实践。

翻译：小寒